By Abbey White and Joseph Zitt

The Expanse is not your typical Sharknado SyFy. The network, which has recently produced low gloss, pseudo-realistic hits like 12 Monkeys, is throwing down the gauntlet with the title of its new space-opera.

A sharp socio-political drama about a solar system on the edge of war, the show is a return to the grand scope and technical accuracy of classic science fiction. The Expanse, to put it simply, is a show unafraid of the unknown.

That unknown is set in a near future where Mars and the asteroid belt are mined for elements to support the ruling population of Earth. Supply ships carry workers and materials between the worlds, serving as a conduit for the show’s rising tensions. The series’ opening hour alludes to this larger universe and a deep conspiracy behind its relentless action. Yet, the dark matter of its worlds is a contrast to the clear, intimate portrayal of The Expanse’s cast of characters.

It’s a cast led by Thomas Jane as Detective Josephus Miller, a private policeman on the dwarf belt planet of Ceres. A man of questionable morals and an affinity for the bottle, Miller is tasked with locating a missing woman by the name of Julie Mao (Florence Faivre). His fate becomes unexpectedly connected with Jim Holden (Steven Strait), executive officer of the ice freighter Canterbury, when the ship’s crew answer a distress call sent from a seemingly abandoned craft — on which Mao may be trapped.

Reluctantly, Holden and a handful of others make their way to the vessel, but en-route the Canterbury finds itself caught in the middle of the impending civil war between Earth and Mars. As the ship becomes a target for attack, Holden and his fellow crew members must confront the possibility of facing the expanse alone.

Prior to the series’ digital premiere on Monday, Nov. 23, ScreenSpy sat down with executive producers Hawk Ostby and Mark Fergus, best known for their work on Iron Man and Children of Men. During our chat, we delved into the show’s confident world-building and diverse characters, as well as the challenges of adapting a television show from a well-known book series.

On the main themes of the series

Ostby: You know, it’s interesting, looking at the world today. What a screwed up planet, but we’ve been here before. We seem to every fifty years — we’re in the same cycle, and it’s intriguing. We’ve been seeing The Martian, all these sci-fi things coming out now, because people are looking up and going ‘Man, if we could get up there, we could do this all over again and make a much better world.’ Which of course you can’t because you’re gonna pack all the same baggage and screw up the next thing. So you know, it’s can we get out of our own way or are we sort of doomed to walk around in the same circle?

Fergus: That’s it. It’s just, what is humanity capable of becoming? Are we just locked in our biological limitations and that’s it? We’ll just do this to our extinction, or do we have a path that evolves to something greater, something better, like we’re intended to go further than we have? And what’s that look like? In a real grounded way, I think what’s great about this series is that it handles all these big lofty Kubrickian kind of themes, but in a real [way]. It’s a little guy, a cop, a ship captain, a revolutionary girl who wants to be a revolutionary. All these really identifiable smaller people, not kingmakers. They’re caught up in circumstances which lead them to a conspiracy where the big questions are being asked, like what is humanity capable of? And the game-changing new technology comes into play. What do we do with it?

You know, like nuclear power. Power for all, or we can blow the world up, you know? There’s always that dichotomy, like everybody wants the weaponizing and technology, and at the same time, you could save everyone. We just don’t necessarily have the humanity to know what to do with the tools we’re given.

On having a character-driven versus plot-driven show

Fergus: It [is] definitely character-driven. The world really informs the characters. It is a really detailed world, where you’re dropping people right into it.

Ostby: By the fourth episode of this, you’re gonna go “What the?” You think it’s one thing and then it’s gonna keep on throwing surprises. And then when we sort of teach you about the world, we’ll go into the characters more. Then things start changing and then go crazy again. Kind of the way the first book’s split up into Holden and Miller’s points of view… we focus on key people that represent each world. You can, through their eyes, handle the epic nature. Just focus on them as your guide through each world [so] it doesn’t crush you. You’ve got somebody to hold onto. That’s sort of the way the books are written, involving somebody to kind of lead you through the world. We kept that from the books because it’s a good way in and keeps it personal.

On the universe’s grand scope

Ostby: Season one is really one ten-hour movie. We’re feature guys. It’s always about [in the movies] doing it quicker, faster, you know? You only have 120 pages to really tell your story. This has been a really great experience, where you have a hundred hours to tell a story, and you can really capture the world and go into details of things not feeling like in two hours people need to get out of their seat.

Fergus: Yeah, the convention is that you make a pilot and then you try to make that episode again and again and again and again. With the same rhythm and basic structure.

Ostby: One of the great things about long-form TV that we love is that we can do that kind of episode. You can have very introspective, then you can have great battles. Very Game of Thrones-y. It used to be TV was a rhythm that you expected. It was supposed to be the same every week because it was comfort, that you want to know what’s expected. All the good TV now is — you don’t even know rhythmically what’s going to happen. That’s one of the joys of the new TV. You don’t know what’s coming. You don’t know who’s going to live. Suddenly a character you forgot for ten episodes gets a whole flashback episode, and then they lead into something — it’s constantly changing. We want to keep that feel going. The pacing will change along with the story, because it’s another element you get to play with. In a movie, you gotta rise, rise, rise, rise — the end. And in TV, you can totally go fast-slow, ebb and flow. You can let it breathe or go relentlessly. Part of the joy of the show is how it’s told. You can’t really do that in a movie, so I think it’s a great thing.

The full interview first appeared at ScreenSpy on Nov. 21, 2015.